Nobel Prize winner: Coronavirus lockdowns cost lives instead of saving them

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Coronavirus lockdowns may have cost more lives than they saved, according to a Nobel laureate who accurately predicted when China would peak in the crisis.

Stanford University biophysicist Michael Levitt, a British-American-Israeli who won the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, said that he believed other health precautions, such as enforcing masks, would have been more effective in combatting the pandemic, the Telegraph reported.

“I think lockdown saved no lives. I think it may have cost lives,” Levitt, who is not an epidemiologist, told the publication.

“There is no doubt that you can stop an epidemic with lockdown but it’s a very blunt and very medieval weapon and the epidemic could have been stopped just as effectively with other sensible measures (such as masks and other forms of social distancing),” he added.

Levitt attributed the additional lives lost to other dangers from the fallout of the lockdowns, such as domestic abuse and fewer people seeking health care for ailments other than the virus.

“It will have saved a few road accident lives, things like that, but social damage — domestic abuse, divorces, alcoholism — has been extreme. And then you have those who were not treated for other conditions,” Levitt told the newspaper.

The 73-year-old has no background as an epidemiologist but has analyzed data from 78 nations with more than 50 reported cases of coronavirus, according to the Telegraph.

He said his investigations proved that the virus was never going to grow “exponentially.”

“We should have seen from China that a virus never grows exponentially. From the very first case you see, exponential growth actually slows down very dramatically,” Levitt said.

In the middle of China’s crisis, Levitt made the prediction that the country would peak with around 80,000 cases. He was close: China has reported 84,102 cases as of Tuesday, according to figures from Johns Hopkins University.

He said the outbreak in China should’ve informed models for other countries around the globe.

“The problem with epidemiologists is that they feel their job is to frighten people into lockdown, social distancing,” Levitt said, singling out British epidemiologist Professor Neil Ferguson, who he claims over-estimated the potential UK death toll by “10 or 12 times”.

“So you say ‘there’s going to be a million deaths’ and when there are only 25,000 you say ‘it’s good you listened to my advice’. This happened with Ebola and bird flu. It’s just part of the madness,” he said.



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“So you say ‘there’s going to be a million deaths’ and when there are only 25,000 you say ‘it’s good you listened to my advice’. This happened with Ebola and bird flu. It’s just part of the madness,” he said.

Hahaha dead on right here.
 

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This expert's opinion is wrong, just doesn't fit "the narrative"

Facebook just cancelled his account

Protesters are throwing rocks at his house

Did anyone axe him if Mob peer reviewed his work before he went public? Could of saved him a lot of grief
 

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Nothing false about that statement. Domestic violence up. Suicides up. Depression up
 
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I still think we'd have more deaths and damage if we DIDNT lock down.

With that being said, i have ZERO scientific evidence. Just my opinion
 

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What happened to Israel was caused by New Yorkers getting into Israel and not following the governments 14 day quarantine requirement.
 

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I am on same page. There are certain aspects of the lockdown that worked. Eliminating large gatherings of 50 or more during the peak of the virus went a long way to flatten the curve. Plus, if you have a large population of asymptomatic people, and you quarantine them for 2-3 weeks, it seems to figure that they would shed the virus at home. That's why as states re-open, you don't see the large numbers anymore. Less people had it after sheltering. People who had it fought it off at home.

So, I think a portion of the lockdown worked. However, where I am lost is - why any more than 2-3 weeks? We are almost 9 weeks out, and some places are still not even part of the way open. Seems like overkill.

Thinking about this as well - I have seen a lot of conspiracy theories and things like that, but one that makes sense is this. In Michigan, 64% of folks agree with their governor's handling of this. So, in some cases, this is a political game of "representing the people".





I still think we'd have more deaths and damage if we DIDNT lock down.

With that being said, i have ZERO scientific evidence. Just my opinion
 

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Zero, nada, none, scientific evidence that locking down and quarantining healthy people means less deaths or less people being infected by a virus

Do your research
 

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Nothing false about that statement. Domestic violence up. Suicides up. Depression up
Suicides and depression up because of Covid lockdown? Weaklings. Maybe that's natural selection working accordingly.
 

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Suicides and depression up because of Covid lockdown? Weaklings. Maybe that's natural selection working accordingly.

Haha, fair observation
 

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Suicides and depression up because of Covid lockdown? Weaklings. Maybe that's natural selection working accordingly.

You would be surprised when people lose their job or business how much it hurts them mentally

Then add in being in the house which is bad for you mentally and add in alcohol, it is not a surprise
I would not call them weak by any means
 
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You would be surprised when people lose their job or business how much it hurts them mentally

Then add in being in the house which is bad for you mentally and add in alcohol, it is not a surprise
I would not call them weak by any means

Lose their life's sweat, labor, and dreams when they lose their businesses. But the average "Joe" has no idea what that would feel like because the average "Joe" never took that risk and shed their blood, sweat and tears for a dream.

And after they are left in that mud they now must refigure how to make a living. Brutally unfair the burden the government made them bear.

And, no, we are not "all in this together" as the politicians are fond of saying. Most will have their lives changed very little while others have their lives destroyed.

Then there's the layer of workers who will lose their jobs permanently. And won't be finding a job anytime soon as companies pare back on help while they try to get back on their feet. And other companies, restraunts, etc never reopen leaving their former employees stranded.

All kinds of taxes and fees will go up because the same pols who shut down the private sector never laid off any of the do nothing public employees to save tax dollars.

Get this country fully open and get it fully open now. The costs to society are piling up. I could name many, many more costs but I don't want to write a book.

If you are afraid of reengaging with society as you did three short months ago you are being spoonfed the wrong stats by a politician colluding media. The fear level should be no more than for pneumonia or the seasonal flu. I don't think any of us refused to integrate in society when those respiratory illnesses are prevalent every winter.

Get back to normal and get back there now. You have been seriously misled.
 

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Lose their life's sweat, labor, and dreams when they lose their businesses. But the average "Joe" has no idea what that would feel like because the average "Joe" never took that risk and shed their blood, sweat and tears for a dream.

And after they are left in that mud they now must refigure how to make a living. Brutally unfair the burden the government made them bear.

And, no, we are not "all in this together" as the politicians are fond of saying. Most will have their lives changed very little while others have their lives destroyed.

Then there's the layer of workers who will lose their jobs permanently. And won't be finding a job anytime soon as companies pare back on help while they try to get back on their feet. And other companies, restraunts, etc never reopen leaving their former employees stranded.

All kinds of taxes and fees will go up because the same pols who shut down the private sector never laid off any of the do nothing public employees to save tax dollars.

Get this country fully open and get it fully open now. The costs to society are piling up. I could name many, many more costs but I don't want to write a book.

If you are afraid of reengaging with society as you did three short months ago you are being spoonfed the wrong stats by a politician colluding media. The fear level should be no more than for pneumonia or the seasonal flu. I don't think any of us refused to integrate in society when those respiratory illnesses are prevalent every winter.

Get back to normal and get back there now. You have been seriously misled.

100% correct on all accounts......could not have said it better.
 

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Suicides and depression up because of Covid lockdown? Weaklings. Maybe that's natural selection working accordingly.

I used to feel people that commit suicide were weaklings too. When I was about 20 and a total fucking moron.
 

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